From dinesh at alphaque.com  Wed Sep  3 15:59:43 2008
From: dinesh at alphaque.com (Dinesh Nair)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:59:43 +0800
Subject: [myoss] blocked web sites
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808301223570.19376@jaime.arc.net.my>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808301223570.19376@jaime.arc.net.my>
Message-ID: <20080903155943.42fd10d1@prophet.alphaque.com>

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:25:54 +0800 (MYT), kjteoh wrote:

> 
> I will keep a low profile on this .. if i we you all.  we dont was to
> see a ip route add xxx /dev/null do we?

now, that would be smart, wouldn't it ? :)

-- 
Regards,                           /\_/\   "All dogs go to heaven."
dinesh at alphaque.com                (0 0)   http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/
+==========================----oOO--(_)--OOo----==========================+
| for a in past present future; do                                        |
|   for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do   |
|   echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."  |
| done; done                                                              |
+=========================================================================+

From dinesh at alphaque.com  Wed Sep  3 15:58:23 2008
From: dinesh at alphaque.com (Dinesh Nair)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:58:23 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Blocking blogs
In-Reply-To: <20a697730808290146i299f8d07n37623e8adfd20266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b72c92d0808282244p25e4ee95q24edb5267a64ef36@mail.gmail.com>
	<20a697730808290146i299f8d07n37623e8adfd20266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080903155823.7a7702a2@prophet.alphaque.com>

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:46:29 +0800, Sham Hardy [Worldid3a.com] wrote:

> here we go there, they block there we go that way.. Malaysian are smarter
> nowadays :)

sure they are, which is why they take rpk's rhetoric as gospel truth.

-- 
Regards,                           /\_/\   "All dogs go to heaven."
dinesh at alphaque.com                (0 0)   http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/
+==========================----oOO--(_)--OOo----==========================+
| for a in past present future; do                                        |
|   for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do   |
|   echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."  |
| done; done                                                              |
+=========================================================================+

From rezuan7 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 16:15:55 2008
From: rezuan7 at gmail.com (Rezuan Asrah)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:15:55 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Blocking blogs
In-Reply-To: <20080903155823.7a7702a2@prophet.alphaque.com>
References: <5b72c92d0808282244p25e4ee95q24edb5267a64ef36@mail.gmail.com>
	<20a697730808290146i299f8d07n37623e8adfd20266@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080903155823.7a7702a2@prophet.alphaque.com>
Message-ID: <5b72c92d0809030115u3efc4027m86ba5bc74131003a@mail.gmail.com>

yea and Anwar's a saint. Gheez..

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Dinesh Nair <dinesh at alphaque.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:46:29 +0800, Sham Hardy [Worldid3a.com] wrote:
>
> > here we go there, they block there we go that way.. Malaysian are smarter
> > nowadays :)
>
> sure they are, which is why they take rpk's rhetoric as gospel truth.
>
> --
> Regards,                           /\_/\   "All dogs go to heaven."
> dinesh at alphaque.com                (0 0)
> http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/
> +==========================----oOO--(_)--OOo----==========================+
> | for a in past present future; do                                        |
> |   for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do   |
> |   echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."  |
> | done; done                                                              |
> +=========================================================================+
> _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>



-- 
Rezuan Asrah
question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; -- Wm. Shakespeare
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From kjteoh at ix.net.my  Wed Sep  3 16:41:47 2008
From: kjteoh at ix.net.my (kjteoh)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:41:47 +0800 (MYT)
Subject: [myoss] blocked web sites
In-Reply-To: <20080903155943.42fd10d1@prophet.alphaque.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808301223570.19376@jaime.arc.net.my>
	<20080903155943.42fd10d1@prophet.alphaque.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031632240.19839@jaime.arc.net.my>



There have been about 107 websites/links etc "blocked" since the start of 
this whole episode  .. its been going on for a couple of years.

There have also been a few others in DC's around malaysia who have to 
asked to take their content down because of some breach.

ps: i tell you this in confidence.

just injecting a point, tm can stop outgoing on port 25 and effectively 
force home users to move to port 587 - 53 - 3129 - 8080 not difficult 
too... you should know that.

honestly i'll leave the thing alone so to speak and not be too public 
about it.


>> I will keep a low profile on this .. if i we you all.  we dont was to
>> see a ip route add xxx /dev/null do we?
>
> now, that would be smart, wouldn't it ? :)

I dont really know what you meant by this - and I am neutral on it - .. 
*clear throat* we've been asked to do this before.

i m telling you this in confidence.


--
kjteoh

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Dinesh Nair wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:25:54 +0800 (MYT), kjteoh wrote:
>
>>
>> I will keep a low profile on this .. if i we you all.  we dont was to
>> see a ip route add xxx /dev/null do we?
>
> now, that would be smart, wouldn't it ? :)
>
> -- 
> Regards,                           /\_/\   "All dogs go to heaven."
> dinesh at alphaque.com                (0 0)   http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/
> +==========================----oOO--(_)--OOo----==========================+
> | for a in past present future; do                                        |
> |   for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do   |
> |   echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."  |
> | done; done                                                              |
> +=========================================================================+
>

From dinesh at alphaque.com  Wed Sep  3 16:56:00 2008
From: dinesh at alphaque.com (Dinesh Nair)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:56:00 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Blocking blogs
In-Reply-To: <5b72c92d0809030115u3efc4027m86ba5bc74131003a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b72c92d0808282244p25e4ee95q24edb5267a64ef36@mail.gmail.com>
	<20a697730808290146i299f8d07n37623e8adfd20266@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080903155823.7a7702a2@prophet.alphaque.com>
	<5b72c92d0809030115u3efc4027m86ba5bc74131003a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080903165600.11ab9428@prophet.alphaque.com>

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:15:55 +0800, Rezuan Asrah wrote:

> yea and Anwar's a saint. Gheez..

of course, he is. malaysians are smarter these days apparently.

-- 
Regards,                           /\_/\   "All dogs go to heaven."
dinesh at alphaque.com                (0 0)   http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/
+==========================----oOO--(_)--OOo----==========================+
| for a in past present future; do                                        |
|   for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do   |
|   echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."  |
| done; done                                                              |
+=========================================================================+

From yoonkit at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 17:44:12 2008
From: yoonkit at gmail.com (Yoon Kit Yong)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:44:12 +0800
Subject: [myoss] blocked web sites
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031632240.19839@jaime.arc.net.my>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808301223570.19376@jaime.arc.net.my>
	<20080903155943.42fd10d1@prophet.alphaque.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031632240.19839@jaime.arc.net.my>
Message-ID: <fb710ff20809030244oc093094rcd7f517c87de8f09@mail.gmail.com>

2008/9/3 kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my>

>
> i m telling you this in confidence.
>
>
Then a public maillist may not be the ideal form of communication.


yk.
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From dinesh at alphaque.com  Wed Sep  3 18:01:41 2008
From: dinesh at alphaque.com (Dinesh Nair)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:01:41 +0800
Subject: [myoss] blocked web sites
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031632240.19839@jaime.arc.net.my>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808301223570.19376@jaime.arc.net.my>
	<20080903155943.42fd10d1@prophet.alphaque.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031632240.19839@jaime.arc.net.my>
Message-ID: <20080903180141.47f17927@prophet.alphaque.com>

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:41:47 +0800 (MYT), kjteoh wrote:

> There have been about 107 websites/links etc "blocked" since the start
> of this whole episode  .. its been going on for a couple of years.

really ? who woulda thought that, eh ? and really, i wonder who's handling
all of this then.

> just injecting a point, tm can stop outgoing on port 25 and effectively 
> force home users to move to port 587 - 53 - 3129 - 8080 not difficult 
> too... you should know that.

we can ? but, but, but, wont that break something somewhere or stuff ? i
mean, how do you change your port ? is that like selecting windows
firewall and drawing the slider to high security or something ? 

and but, but, but, cant tm like block all outgoing to any port 25 from
streamyx home acccounts and only allow outgoing on port 25 to
smtp.tm.net.my maybe ?

and what, this ssh tunneling shite actually works to get around that too ?

heavens to mugatroyd, its amazing the things you can do now that the
internet is available on computers.

> i m telling you this in confidence.

which is why you emailled the entire list about it. sure. i wont say a
word about it. honest. :)

-- 
Regards,                           /\_/\   "All dogs go to heaven."
dinesh at alphaque.com                (0 0)   http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/
+==========================----oOO--(_)--OOo----==========================+
| for a in past present future; do                                        |
|   for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do   |
|   echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."  |
| done; done                                                              |
+=========================================================================+

From kjteoh at ix.net.my  Wed Sep  3 18:26:17 2008
From: kjteoh at ix.net.my (kjteoh)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:26:17 +0800 (MYT)
Subject: [myoss] blocked web sites
In-Reply-To: <20080903180141.47f17927@prophet.alphaque.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808301223570.19376@jaime.arc.net.my>
	<20080903155943.42fd10d1@prophet.alphaque.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031632240.19839@jaime.arc.net.my>
	<20080903180141.47f17927@prophet.alphaque.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031812070.20659@jaime.arc.net.my>



hate that .. and it missed me.
"A general discussion list on Free/Open Source Software in Malaysia." <myoss at mail.
foss.org.my>

from newspapers .. mags and other printed form to now websites/blogs ... I 
am not treating you guys are ignorant and i take it that your judgment is 
sound in whether or not you want to circumvent these blocks in place - in 
turn however I see a situation where every country will go thru something 
like that in one form or another and i guess every country/government will 
have some related issue .. whether its "offensive" material on the net or 
in any other print.

to me, what is unfortunate is, the meaning of "offensive" is whatever they 
think it is.



--
kjteoh

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Dinesh Nair wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:41:47 +0800 (MYT), kjteoh wrote:
>
>> There have been about 107 websites/links etc "blocked" since the start
>> of this whole episode  .. its been going on for a couple of years.
>
> really ? who woulda thought that, eh ? and really, i wonder who's handling
> all of this then.
>
>> just injecting a point, tm can stop outgoing on port 25 and effectively
>> force home users to move to port 587 - 53 - 3129 - 8080 not difficult
>> too... you should know that.
>
> we can ? but, but, but, wont that break something somewhere or stuff ? i
> mean, how do you change your port ? is that like selecting windows
> firewall and drawing the slider to high security or something ?
>
> and but, but, but, cant tm like block all outgoing to any port 25 from
> streamyx home acccounts and only allow outgoing on port 25 to
> smtp.tm.net.my maybe ?
>
> and what, this ssh tunneling shite actually works to get around that too ?
>
> heavens to mugatroyd, its amazing the things you can do now that the
> internet is available on computers.
>
>> i m telling you this in confidence.
>
> which is why you emailled the entire list about it. sure. i wont say a
> word about it. honest. :)
>
> -- 
> Regards,                           /\_/\   "All dogs go to heaven."
> dinesh at alphaque.com                (0 0)   http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/
> +==========================----oOO--(_)--OOo----==========================+
> | for a in past present future; do                                        |
> |   for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do   |
> |   echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."  |
> | done; done                                                              |
> +=========================================================================+
>

From kaeru at inigo-tech.com  Thu Sep  4 11:45:02 2008
From: kaeru at inigo-tech.com (Khairil Yusof)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:45:02 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Acer Aspire One, ZG5, Linux and Accessibility
Message-ID: <1220499903.8500.68.camel@wolverine>

Rahim the IT manager from Malaysian Association for the blind was
provided one of these, but it doesn't come with any accessibility
features.

Any experiences putting standard Fedora or Ubuntu on this device?




From yeak at md.com.my  Sat Sep  6 14:40:24 2008
From: yeak at md.com.my (Yeak Nai Siew)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:40:24 +0800
Subject: [myoss] blocked web sites
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031812070.20659@jaime.arc.net.my>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808301223570.19376@jaime.arc.net.my>
	<20080903155943.42fd10d1@prophet.alphaque.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031632240.19839@jaime.arc.net.my>
	<20080903180141.47f17927@prophet.alphaque.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031812070.20659@jaime.arc.net.my>
Message-ID: <6011DA16-E4C5-4E0F-9DC1-D2C16169D8FB@md.com.my>

I just discover that you guys talked about it here.

Technically, blocking a web site is not possible. It is only making it  
more difficult to access.

But the main problem of blocking malaysia-today.net is beyond  
technical. I think that's also beyond the discussion in this list.

Current site is http://mt.m2day.org/ if you want to follow.

The question I have for all of you is, are you going to ignore it or  
do something about it positively? I mean the blocking of MT site.

Thanks.


-- 
Yeak Nai Siew

My Directory Sdn Bhd (487437-D)
C-9-4.2 Mines Waterfront Business Park
3 Jalan Tasik
43300 Mines Resort City, Selangor, Malaysia
Tel: +603 8948 0525
Fax: +603 8948 0236
http://www.md.com.my

Your Open Source Partner


From Ow.Mun.Heng at wdc.com  Mon Sep 15 17:25:52 2008
From: Ow.Mun.Heng at wdc.com (Ow Mun Heng)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:25:52 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Looking for Low Power [cheap]
	Boxes	(due2	Higher	Electricty Tarriff)
In-Reply-To: <1219658062.2765.45.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
References: <1215578114.22595.20.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<4874BF8A.5080007@gmail.com>
	<1215655920.32232.18.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<c44298520807091923n777e7d56t847d04ee685332cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1215658053.32232.25.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<28b4a5310807092000y94fd625y2e020770960e6412@mail.gmail.com>
	<48758F0A.3050606@eware.com.my>
	<1215664192.19827.20.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<48762980.1010101@gmail.com>
	<1215743826.853.19.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<e10e0bf70807112122r1ce4cdb2hac9bf3320e9c443a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1219643870.2765.38.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<1219658062.2765.45.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
Message-ID: <1221470752.5970.3.camel@neuromancer.home.net>

On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 17:54 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 13:57 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> > USD120 x 3.3 = RM400 (not including shipping)
> > 1GB Ram = RM150
> > 2.5in Drive = Use existing = RM0
> > Case = shoebox = RM0
> > Total = RM550 (not including shipping)
> 
> 
> Just got an email from their sales on the shipping quote.~USD120.
> 
> I think I'm better off getting the EEE Box if it's like this.

I just found out that LowYat also sells these boards and it's cheap.
It's quoted at Rm235 for the board alone.

The only other issue I have wouldbe where to locate the power supply.
The lowest wattage power supply I can see if 350w which is a lot for a
box like this. Anyone knows where I can locate the 90w pico Power supply
in M'sia? 



From maulvi at maulvi.net  Tue Sep 16 01:36:09 2008
From: maulvi at maulvi.net (Maulvi Bakar)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:36:09 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Looking for Low Power [cheap] Boxes (due2 Higher
	Electricty Tarriff)
In-Reply-To: <1221470752.5970.3.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
References: <1215578114.22595.20.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<28b4a5310807092000y94fd625y2e020770960e6412@mail.gmail.com>
	<48758F0A.3050606@eware.com.my>
	<1215664192.19827.20.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<48762980.1010101@gmail.com>
	<1215743826.853.19.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<e10e0bf70807112122r1ce4cdb2hac9bf3320e9c443a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1219643870.2765.38.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<1219658062.2765.45.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<1221470752.5970.3.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
Message-ID: <47c8d78f0809151036r628256dfv86760568fa9f66d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ow Mun Heng <Ow.Mun.Heng at wdc.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 17:54 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 13:57 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> > > USD120 x 3.3 = RM400 (not including shipping)
> > > 1GB Ram = RM150
> > > 2.5in Drive = Use existing = RM0
> > > Case = shoebox = RM0
> > > Total = RM550 (not including shipping)
> >
> >
> > Just got an email from their sales on the shipping quote.~USD120.
> >
> > I think I'm better off getting the EEE Box if it's like this.
>
> I just found out that LowYat also sells these boards and it's cheap.
> It's quoted at Rm235 for the board alone.
>
> Do you mind sharing with the rest of us, which particular shoppe that
retails such exotic beast?


Regards
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From Ow.Mun.Heng at wdc.com  Tue Sep 16 10:39:04 2008
From: Ow.Mun.Heng at wdc.com (Ow Mun Heng)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:39:04 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Looking for Low Power [cheap] Boxes (due2
	Higher	Electricty Tarriff)
In-Reply-To: <47c8d78f0809151036r628256dfv86760568fa9f66d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1215578114.22595.20.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<28b4a5310807092000y94fd625y2e020770960e6412@mail.gmail.com>
	<48758F0A.3050606@eware.com.my>
	<1215664192.19827.20.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<48762980.1010101@gmail.com>
	<1215743826.853.19.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<e10e0bf70807112122r1ce4cdb2hac9bf3320e9c443a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1219643870.2765.38.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<1219658062.2765.45.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<1221470752.5970.3.camel@neuromancer.home.net>
	<47c8d78f0809151036r628256dfv86760568fa9f66d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1221532744.24130.6.camel@neuromancer.home.net>

On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 01:36 +0800, Maulvi Bakar wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ow Mun Heng <Ow.Mun.Heng at wdc.com>
> wrote:
>         On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 17:54 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
>         > On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 13:57 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
>         > > USD120 x 3.3 = RM400 (not including shipping)
>         > > 1GB Ram = RM150
>         > > 2.5in Drive = Use existing = RM0
>         > > Case = shoebox = RM0
>         > > Total = RM550 (not including shipping)
>         >
>         >
>         > Just got an email from their sales on the shipping
>         quote.~USD120.
>         >
>         > I think I'm better off getting the EEE Box if it's like
>         this.
>         
>         
>         I just found out that LowYat also sells these boards and it's
>         cheap.
>         It's quoted at Rm235 for the board alone.
>         
> Do you mind sharing with the rest of us, which particular shoppe that
> retails such exotic beast?

Apparently, it's not exotic as I thought it was. ONly exotic one is now
the power supply. ANyone knows?

PS : Take a walk around LY and look at the price lists. I got to know
from there as well. I didn't really ask. But it seems quite a few of
them carries the "ad" that they sell them.




From alphademon at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 01:21:07 2008
From: alphademon at gmail.com (alphademon)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:21:07 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Petkov D.Petkov
Message-ID: <48D3DF83.3050609@gmail.com>

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From kaeru at inigo-tech.com  Mon Sep 22 09:08:21 2008
From: kaeru at inigo-tech.com (Khairil Yusof)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:08:21 +0800
Subject: [myoss] FOSS.my IRC meet tonight Mon 22nd 9:30pm
Message-ID: <1222045701.7446.17.camel@wolverine>

We're going to have an IRC meet this Monday Sept 22nd at 9:30pm at
#myoss on freenode.

It's to discuss the organization of FOSS.my community event on Nov 8th
Saturday.

FOSS.my is a FOSS community event based on http://linux.conf.au and
http://FOSS.in. This is our first go at it, so we will start small like
the others and learn from this one.

It's accessible:

      * Free or very low entry fee (not more than RM10?).
      * It's on Saturday so working people and students can attend
      * It's easily accessible for those without cars

It's non-commercial:

      * No talks by vendors trying to sell products and services

It's for knowledge sharing and FOSS development:

      * A variety of different sessions
      * Talks, Lightning Talks and Workshops
      * Install fests

Don't entirely agree with it? It's your conference.

The wiki is here, so feel free to edit any ideas you may have.

http://foss.org.my/projects/events/foss.my/FOSS.my



From kaeru at inigo-tech.com  Mon Sep 22 14:32:56 2008
From: kaeru at inigo-tech.com (Khairil Yusof)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:32:56 +0800
Subject: [myoss] October Meetup - OpenMoko with Ole Tange
Message-ID: <1222065176.7446.77.camel@wolverine>

http://foss.org.my/projects/meetups/october-2008

MyOSS Meetups are back!

Preliminary announcement here, details may change a bit as we get nearer
to the date.

Regards


From kaeru at inigo-tech.com  Tue Sep 23 08:31:40 2008
From: kaeru at inigo-tech.com (Khairil Yusof)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:31:40 +0800
Subject: [myoss] MyOSS Meetup October 10th: Ole Tange on the OpenMoko Mobile
	Phone
Message-ID: <1222129900.6435.4.camel@wolverine>

http://foss.org.my/projects/meetups/october-2008

Special guest speaker Ole Tang will talk about OpenMoko, the GNU/Linux
distribution that runs on the free phone Neo Freerunner from FIC

---

OpenMoko is the GNU/Linux distribution that runs on the free phone Neo
Freerunner from FIC. It is completely Free Software. Being able to
completely control a cell phone gives new possibilities that people only
dreamed of.

Have you ever had a mobile phone where you have been annoyed by some of
the functionality and thought: "If only I had the source code I could
have fixed this annoying thing"? Then you are not alone.
The phone Neo Freerunner from FIC runs a completely free operating
system. Because it is free it is possible try out completely new ideas -
even ideas that the phone companies make no money from. The presentation
will be about the possibilities and how you can take part in this
revolution.

About the Speaker
-----------------
Ole Tange

Ole Tange has worked as Hostmaster for .dk, as a security consultant, as
network admin, as site reliability engineer, and is now working as
developer. He has worked with UNIX since 1991, GNU/Linux since 1992, and
in 1996 he deleted his Microsoft Windows partition. He has done lots of
presentations on security, Free Software, and IT political issues (such
as software patents) - both for the general public and to politicians.
He is best know as the person behind Parallel, the patented webshop and
word processor and Remindmail He sees a completely Free phone as the
most disrupting that has happened since the introduction of GNU/Linux.
When
====
Friday October 10th 7:30pm

What - Meetup Agenda
=====================

7:30pm - 7:45pm Opening by the Organizer

7:45pm - 8:30pm Ole Tange on the OpenMoko phone

8:30pm - 8:45pm Q&A


Cost:
=====
Free. No registration required, just come right in, have a seat, and
join the crowd.

Contact
kaeru at inigo-tech.com
+60163111330

Where:
Asia e-University
Ground Floor, Dataran Kewangan Darul Takaful,
No 4, Jalan Sultan Sulaiman, 50000
Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia

Tel: +603 2711 0438 (GL)
Tel: 1300 300 238 (Hotline)

Praying facilities are available on the campus.

About MyOSS Meetups
===================

Interested in helping out the Free and Open Source Community in
Malaysia?
Check out http://foss.org.my/projects/meetups/howto

If you would like to do a presentation, please contact me at the above
email address.
Learn more about the MyOSS Meetups
at http://foss.org.my/projects/meetups/about .

This meetup is possible due to the support and facilities provided by
Asia e-University


From kaeru at inigo-tech.com  Wed Sep 24 16:08:45 2008
From: kaeru at inigo-tech.com (Khairil Yusof)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:08:45 +0800
Subject: [myoss] [Fwd: E-Governance project in Bhutan - looking for
	an	international IT expert]
Message-ID: <1222243725.6772.39.camel@wolverine>

They're looking for an experienced PHP Zend Framework/LAMP person.

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From nsh at pop.jaring.my  Thu Sep 25 19:37:03 2008
From: nsh at pop.jaring.my (Nah Soo Hoe)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:37:03 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Web developer wanted
Message-ID: <48DBE85F.21478.7BACB@localhost>

The Malaysian Rubber Export Promotion Council (MREPC) is looking for 
someone who has experience/expertise in developing web applications using 
ANY of the following languages and tools: HTML, CSS, JavaSscript, PHP and 
MySQL database.  The job description (provided by MREPC) is attached.

Interested parties please contact them directly by emailing Suehayalan Md 
Noor (sue at mrepc dot com).

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From me at yclian.com  Mon Sep 29 23:46:10 2008
From: me at yclian.com (Yuen-Chi Lian)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:46:10 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Need some feedbacks on app extending Drupal
Message-ID: <48E0F842.5040508@yclian.com>

Hi guys,

I'm thinking of reusing some features in Drupal (major, its module
framework) for a webapp that we are writing. Let's say if we are writing
Facebook and we write on top of Drupal, as compared with rewriting using
Django, RoR, CodeIgniter or whatever, reinventing a plugin framework
ourselves and maintaining other core parts of a webapp which a rich CMS
like Drupal could have provided.

Or there's a better framework that you could suggest?

I'm sure a lot of you guys here have great experience or opinions about
this. Bad / Good to go?

Thanks.

-- 
Yuen-Chi Lian | www.yclian.com
"I do not seek; I find." - Pablo Picasso


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From kamal at smach.net  Tue Sep 30 08:37:12 2008
From: kamal at smach.net (kamal at smach.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:37:12 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Need some feedbacks on app extending Drupal
In-Reply-To: <48E0F842.5040508@yclian.com>
References: <48E0F842.5040508@yclian.com>
Message-ID: <ed4b2db80809291737s177b87a5u8a6e625c5cecf575@mail.gmail.com>

>Or there's a better framework that you could suggest?
As a drupal guy of course I would suggest Drupal ;)

I wrote about using Drupal as a framework sometimes ago (in Malay):-

http://www.google.com.my/search?q=site%3Aittutor.net+drupal

Here at work we use a combination of Drupal+Kohana php framework.
Drupal mainly used for user management and cms while kohana for
'backend workflowed administrative application' though personally I
believe Drupal alone can do that.

Just one reminder, Drupal is SLOW so try to look for something else if
you are in need for some speed.

p/s:-
Over slow GPRS connection, my apologize if double posted.

On 9/29/08, Yuen-Chi Lian <me at yclian.com> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm thinking of reusing some features in Drupal (major, its module
> framework) for a webapp that we are writing. Let's say if we are writing
> Facebook and we write on top of Drupal, as compared with rewriting using
> Django, RoR, CodeIgniter or whatever, reinventing a plugin framework
> ourselves and maintaining other core parts of a webapp which a rich CMS
> like Drupal could have provided.
>
> Or there's a better framework that you could suggest?
>
> I'm sure a lot of you guys here have great experience or opinions about
> this. Bad / Good to go?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Yuen-Chi Lian | www.yclian.com
> "I do not seek; I find." - Pablo Picasso
>
>
>


-- 
kamal, www.k4ml.com

From najibx at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 12:44:55 2008
From: najibx at gmail.com (Najib)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:44:55 +0800
Subject: [myoss] myoss Digest, Vol 26, Issue 10 - Drupal for Facebook
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1222747201.60920.myoss@lists.foss.org.my>
References: <mailman.1.1222747201.60920.myoss@lists.foss.org.my>
Message-ID: <A1162B0E146F4950970D70446F62DF67@NAJIBX>

Hi People,

This is the first people actually talk about Drupal via this mailing list
:-)

Anyhow, have you look at Drupal for Facebook - http://drupal.org/project/fb
This set of modules and themes turns Drupal into a platform for developing
Facebook Applications. With Drupal for Facebook, you can harness all the
power of Drupal in you Facebook App. If you already have content in Drupal,
you can expose it on Facebook.

Checkit out. It's under active development - latest version is 5.x-2.x-dev
2008-Sep-26. Why not help out there ...rather than starting new.

Drupal.org has great resources. A quick search would give you answers, to
any of your doubt.

Regarding a statement "Drupal is SLOW so try to look for something else if
you are in need for some speed", I am not totally agree with this. Well, it
depends your definition of "slow". It's probably not Drupal, rather your
implementation method, caching technique, PHP/APACHE/MYSQL Tuning, and so
forth. Can't simply put that statement on Drupal, or rather any CMS per say.
Performance and scalaibilty is a big topics.

Adio.

Najibx
- please help out with Drupal at www.drupal.my


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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:46:10 +0800
From: Yuen-Chi Lian <me at yclian.com>
Subject: [myoss] Need some feedbacks on app extending Drupal
To: "A general discussion list on Free/Open Source Software in
	Malaysia."	<myoss at lists.foss.org.my>
Message-ID: <48E0F842.5040508 at yclian.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi guys,

I'm thinking of reusing some features in Drupal (major, its module
framework) for a webapp that we are writing. Let's say if we are writing
Facebook and we write on top of Drupal, as compared with rewriting using
Django, RoR, CodeIgniter or whatever, reinventing a plugin framework
ourselves and maintaining other core parts of a webapp which a rich CMS
like Drupal could have provided.

Or there's a better framework that you could suggest?

I'm sure a lot of you guys here have great experience or opinions about
this. Bad / Good to go?

Thanks.

-- 
Yuen-Chi Lian | www.yclian.com
"I do not seek; I find." - Pablo Picasso


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:37:12 +0800
From: kamal at smach.net
Subject: Re: [myoss] Need some feedbacks on app extending Drupal
To: "A general discussion list on Free/Open Source Software in
	Malaysia."	<myoss at lists.foss.org.my>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

>Or there's a better framework that you could suggest?
As a drupal guy of course I would suggest Drupal ;)

I wrote about using Drupal as a framework sometimes ago (in Malay):-

http://www.google.com.my/search?q=site%3Aittutor.net+drupal

Here at work we use a combination of Drupal+Kohana php framework.
Drupal mainly used for user management and cms while kohana for
'backend workflowed administrative application' though personally I
believe Drupal alone can do that.

Just one reminder, Drupal is SLOW so try to look for something else if
you are in need for some speed.

p/s:-
Over slow GPRS connection, my apologize if double posted.

On 9/29/08, Yuen-Chi Lian <me at yclian.com> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm thinking of reusing some features in Drupal (major, its module
> framework) for a webapp that we are writing. Let's say if we are writing
> Facebook and we write on top of Drupal, as compared with rewriting using
> Django, RoR, CodeIgniter or whatever, reinventing a plugin framework
> ourselves and maintaining other core parts of a webapp which a rich CMS
> like Drupal could have provided.
>
> Or there's a better framework that you could suggest?
>
> I'm sure a lot of you guys here have great experience or opinions about
> this. Bad / Good to go?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Yuen-Chi Lian | www.yclian.com
> "I do not seek; I find." - Pablo Picasso
>
>
>


-- 
kamal, www.k4ml.com


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From me at yclian.com  Tue Sep 30 12:54:38 2008
From: me at yclian.com (Yuen-Chi Lian)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:54:38 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Need some feedbacks on app extending Drupal
In-Reply-To: <A1162B0E146F4950970D70446F62DF67@NAJIBX>
References: <mailman.1.1222747201.60920.myoss@lists.foss.org.my>
	<A1162B0E146F4950970D70446F62DF67@NAJIBX>
Message-ID: <48E1B10E.6090308@yclian.com>

Hi Najib,

Yeap, I have come across that page before.

I'm sorry if my statement sounded misleading, when I said, "Let's say if
we are writing Facebook", I was saying if I write a dynamic web
application / portal / site such as Facebook, etc. on top of Drupal.

What I can tell now is, I can reuse the module framework of Drupal and I
do not need to rewrite a CMS. My application will also have stuff like
dashboard/portlets, reporting, diff. user/role management, etc., which
can all be written as Drupal modules (or in another words, PHP classes
that Drupal modules make use of).

My worries are, is extending Drupal a bad idea (Kamal had shared some of
his experience, it worked for him), is it better if I reinvent those
features instead of relying on such a heavy weight (quite) framework?

Najib wrote:
> Hi People,
> 
> This is the first people actually talk about Drupal via this mailing list
> :-)
> 
> Anyhow, have you look at Drupal for Facebook - http://drupal.org/project/fb
> This set of modules and themes turns Drupal into a platform for developing
> Facebook Applications. With Drupal for Facebook, you can harness all the
> power of Drupal in you Facebook App. If you already have content in Drupal,
> you can expose it on Facebook.
> 
> Checkit out. It's under active development - latest version is 5.x-2.x-dev
> 2008-Sep-26. Why not help out there ...rather than starting new.
> 
> Drupal.org has great resources. A quick search would give you answers, to
> any of your doubt.
> 
> Regarding a statement "Drupal is SLOW so try to look for something else if
> you are in need for some speed", I am not totally agree with this. Well, it
> depends your definition of "slow". It's probably not Drupal, rather your
> implementation method, caching technique, PHP/APACHE/MYSQL Tuning, and so
> forth. Can't simply put that statement on Drupal, or rather any CMS per say.
> Performance and scalaibilty is a big topics.
> 
> Adio.
> 
> Najibx
> - please help out with Drupal at www.drupal.my
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:myoss-bounces at lists.foss.org.my] On Behalf Of
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:46:10 +0800
> From: Yuen-Chi Lian <me at yclian.com>
> Subject: [myoss] Need some feedbacks on app extending Drupal
> To: "A general discussion list on Free/Open Source Software in
> 	Malaysia."	<myoss at lists.foss.org.my>
> Message-ID: <48E0F842.5040508 at yclian.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm thinking of reusing some features in Drupal (major, its module
> framework) for a webapp that we are writing. Let's say if we are writing
> Facebook and we write on top of Drupal, as compared with rewriting using
> Django, RoR, CodeIgniter or whatever, reinventing a plugin framework
> ourselves and maintaining other core parts of a webapp which a rich CMS
> like Drupal could have provided.
> 
> Or there's a better framework that you could suggest?
> 
> I'm sure a lot of you guys here have great experience or opinions about
> this. Bad / Good to go?
> 
> Thanks.
> 


-- 
Yuen-Chi Lian | www.yclian.com
"I do not seek; I find." - Pablo Picasso


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