From umarzuki at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 02:56:45 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:56:45 +0800
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
Message-ID: <52d26d930909301956y521baef3q8e3bdaab5ff5fe63@mail.gmail.com>

Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done by simply
copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's more to
it?

Old server = FC4
New server = Fedora 12

-- 
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From kjteoh at ix.net.my  Thu Oct  1 03:58:16 2009
From: kjteoh at ix.net.my (kjteoh)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:58:16 +0800 (MYT)
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
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Quite alot more really... versions. SpamAssassin users many perl modules 
which probably will need updating.



--
kjteoh

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

> Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done by simply
> copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's more to
> it?
>
> Old server = FC4
> New server = Fedora 12
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Umarzuki Mochlis
> http://gameornot.net
>

From maulvi at maulvi.net  Thu Oct  1 04:47:36 2009
From: maulvi at maulvi.net (Maulvi Bakar)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:47:36 +0800
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
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In my humble (honest!) opinion..

Migrating from sendmail from FC4 to FC12, sendmail only shouldn't be
difficult.  8.13.4 to 8.14.3, not much big difference.  You may need to
compare the .cf files side-by-side.

You may need to be careful on the SpamAssassin though.  As kjteoh mentioned,
the perl modules, IMHO (really honest!) are kind of a minefield there.
Especially you have also to consider SpamAssassin from versions 3.0.3 in FC4
to 3.2.5 in FC11 Leonidas.  Correct me if I am wrong, last I heard - on
FC12, I believe they're expected to use 3.3.0 which I believe is not even
stable release at this time, probably so at FC12's time instead  ;-)

Let's digress a bit, build a new one altogether...
Postifx-Amavisd-Clamd-SpamAssassin..  And go for Centos instead of Fedora.
You don't want to be caught upgrading from FC4 to FC12..  It'll be easier
with Centos 5.3 to 5.4 or 6..


Sincere regards

Maulvi



On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my> wrote:

>
> Quite alot more really... versions. SpamAssassin users many perl modules
> which probably will need updating.
>
>
>
> --
> kjteoh
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>
>  Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done by
>> simply
>> copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's more
>> to
>> it?
>>
>> Old server = FC4
>> New server = Fedora 12
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>> http://gameornot.net
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
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From umarzuki at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:11:31 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:11:31 +0800
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
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thanks for all those info guys.

more question:
how about exporting mail datas (address etc.) from a server using sendmail
to a server using qmail? Would that pose any problem in the future? I got
qmailtoaster in mind at the moment since it got spamassasin and clamav
module but i never tested it yet.

2009/10/1 Maulvi Bakar <maulvi at maulvi.net>

> In my humble (honest!) opinion..
>
> Migrating from sendmail from FC4 to FC12, sendmail only shouldn't be
> difficult.  8.13.4 to 8.14.3, not much big difference.  You may need to
> compare the .cf files side-by-side.
>
> You may need to be careful on the SpamAssassin though.  As kjteoh
> mentioned, the perl modules, IMHO (really honest!) are kind of a minefield
> there.  Especially you have also to consider SpamAssassin from versions
> 3.0.3 in FC4 to 3.2.5 in FC11 Leonidas.  Correct me if I am wrong, last I
> heard - on FC12, I believe they're expected to use 3.3.0 which I believe is
> not even stable release at this time, probably so at FC12's time instead
> ;-)
>
> Let's digress a bit, build a new one altogether...
> Postifx-Amavisd-Clamd-SpamAssassin..  And go for Centos instead of Fedora.
> You don't want to be caught upgrading from FC4 to FC12..  It'll be easier
> with Centos 5.3 to 5.4 or 6..
>
>
> Sincere regards
>
> Maulvi
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my> wrote:
>
>>
>> Quite alot more really... versions. SpamAssassin users many perl modules
>> which probably will need updating.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> kjteoh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>
>>  Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done by
>>> simply
>>> copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's more
>>> to
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Old server = FC4
>>> New server = Fedora 12
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> myoss mailing list
>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>
>


-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
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From kjteoh at ix.net.my  Thu Oct  1 06:18:43 2009
From: kjteoh at ix.net.my (kjteoh)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:18:43 +0800 (MYT)
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
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Quite a few ways to do it ... it comes down to what makes sense and what 
you're comfy doing and of course if you can accept downtime etc...

what I will do is set up backup mx server and config it to spool emails 
first!

create the new accounts on your new service ... make sure it sends/receive 
emails w/o problems ..  the migration of legacy data can come later .. 
whether it is maildir or mailbox type ...

if you have imap service, even better you can make it sync betw old and 
new server and later discontinue old server/service.

ps: you say "address" = imap service ;-)  otherwise its prob something 
like pine address books .. which will be even easier.

if you're using qmail .. what lmtp will you be using?



--
kjteoh

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

> thanks for all those info guys.
>
> more question:
> how about exporting mail datas (address etc.) from a server using sendmail
> to a server using qmail? Would that pose any problem in the future? I got
> qmailtoaster in mind at the moment since it got spamassasin and clamav
> module but i never tested it yet.
>
> 2009/10/1 Maulvi Bakar <maulvi at maulvi.net>
>
>> In my humble (honest!) opinion..
>>
>> Migrating from sendmail from FC4 to FC12, sendmail only shouldn't be
>> difficult.  8.13.4 to 8.14.3, not much big difference.  You may need to
>> compare the .cf files side-by-side.
>>
>> You may need to be careful on the SpamAssassin though.  As kjteoh
>> mentioned, the perl modules, IMHO (really honest!) are kind of a minefield
>> there.  Especially you have also to consider SpamAssassin from versions
>> 3.0.3 in FC4 to 3.2.5 in FC11 Leonidas.  Correct me if I am wrong, last I
>> heard - on FC12, I believe they're expected to use 3.3.0 which I believe is
>> not even stable release at this time, probably so at FC12's time instead
>> ;-)
>>
>> Let's digress a bit, build a new one altogether...
>> Postifx-Amavisd-Clamd-SpamAssassin..  And go for Centos instead of Fedora.
>> You don't want to be caught upgrading from FC4 to FC12..  It'll be easier
>> with Centos 5.3 to 5.4 or 6..
>>
>>
>> Sincere regards
>>
>> Maulvi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Quite alot more really... versions. SpamAssassin users many perl modules
>>> which probably will need updating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> kjteoh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>>
>>>  Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done by
>>>> simply
>>>> copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's more
>>>> to
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Old server = FC4
>>>> New server = Fedora 12
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>> myoss mailing list
>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> myoss mailing list
>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Umarzuki Mochlis
> http://gameornot.net
>

From umarzuki at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:08:02 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:08:02 +0800
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
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thanks for that usefull info kjteoh
it seems qmailtoaster is using smtp http://www.qmailtoaster.com/
do i need lmtp instead?

2009/10/1 kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my>

>
> Quite a few ways to do it ... it comes down to what makes sense and what
> you're comfy doing and of course if you can accept downtime etc...
>
> what I will do is set up backup mx server and config it to spool emails
> first!
>
> create the new accounts on your new service ... make sure it sends/receive
> emails w/o problems ..  the migration of legacy data can come later ..
> whether it is maildir or mailbox type ...
>
> if you have imap service, even better you can make it sync betw old and new
> server and later discontinue old server/service.
>
> ps: you say "address" = imap service ;-)  otherwise its prob something like
> pine address books .. which will be even easier.
>
> if you're using qmail .. what lmtp will you be using?
>
>
>
>
> --
> kjteoh
>
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>
>  thanks for all those info guys.
>>
>> more question:
>> how about exporting mail datas (address etc.) from a server using sendmail
>> to a server using qmail? Would that pose any problem in the future? I got
>> qmailtoaster in mind at the moment since it got spamassasin and clamav
>> module but i never tested it yet.
>>
>> 2009/10/1 Maulvi Bakar <maulvi at maulvi.net>
>>
>>  In my humble (honest!) opinion..
>>>
>>> Migrating from sendmail from FC4 to FC12, sendmail only shouldn't be
>>> difficult.  8.13.4 to 8.14.3, not much big difference.  You may need to
>>> compare the .cf files side-by-side.
>>>
>>> You may need to be careful on the SpamAssassin though.  As kjteoh
>>> mentioned, the perl modules, IMHO (really honest!) are kind of a
>>> minefield
>>> there.  Especially you have also to consider SpamAssassin from versions
>>> 3.0.3 in FC4 to 3.2.5 in FC11 Leonidas.  Correct me if I am wrong, last I
>>> heard - on FC12, I believe they're expected to use 3.3.0 which I believe
>>> is
>>> not even stable release at this time, probably so at FC12's time instead
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Let's digress a bit, build a new one altogether...
>>> Postifx-Amavisd-Clamd-SpamAssassin..  And go for Centos instead of
>>> Fedora.
>>> You don't want to be caught upgrading from FC4 to FC12..  It'll be easier
>>> with Centos 5.3 to 5.4 or 6..
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincere regards
>>>
>>> Maulvi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Quite alot more really... versions. SpamAssassin users many perl modules
>>>> which probably will need updating.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> kjteoh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done by
>>>>
>>>>> simply
>>>>> copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's
>>>>> more
>>>>> to
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Old server = FC4
>>>>> New server = Fedora 12
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>> myoss mailing list
>>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> myoss mailing list
>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>> http://gameornot.net
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>



-- 
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From kjteoh at ix.net.my  Thu Oct  1 07:41:56 2009
From: kjteoh at ix.net.my (kjteoh)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:41:56 +0800 (MYT)
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
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as far as i remember, qmail is only smtp service which talks smtp betw say 
.. a.mail.server and b.mail.server

lmtp is local mail transport protocol which will do the actual deliveries 
to your mailbox/mail account ... eg of lmtp is postdrop or procmail or 
postfix which has its own final delivery agent.




--
kjteoh

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

> thanks for that usefull info kjteoh
> it seems qmailtoaster is using smtp http://www.qmailtoaster.com/
> do i need lmtp instead?
>
> 2009/10/1 kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my>
>
>>
>> Quite a few ways to do it ... it comes down to what makes sense and what
>> you're comfy doing and of course if you can accept downtime etc...
>>
>> what I will do is set up backup mx server and config it to spool emails
>> first!
>>
>> create the new accounts on your new service ... make sure it sends/receive
>> emails w/o problems ..  the migration of legacy data can come later ..
>> whether it is maildir or mailbox type ...
>>
>> if you have imap service, even better you can make it sync betw old and new
>> server and later discontinue old server/service.
>>
>> ps: you say "address" = imap service ;-)  otherwise its prob something like
>> pine address books .. which will be even easier.
>>
>> if you're using qmail .. what lmtp will you be using?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> kjteoh
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>
>>  thanks for all those info guys.
>>>
>>> more question:
>>> how about exporting mail datas (address etc.) from a server using sendmail
>>> to a server using qmail? Would that pose any problem in the future? I got
>>> qmailtoaster in mind at the moment since it got spamassasin and clamav
>>> module but i never tested it yet.
>>>
>>> 2009/10/1 Maulvi Bakar <maulvi at maulvi.net>
>>>
>>>  In my humble (honest!) opinion..
>>>>
>>>> Migrating from sendmail from FC4 to FC12, sendmail only shouldn't be
>>>> difficult.  8.13.4 to 8.14.3, not much big difference.  You may need to
>>>> compare the .cf files side-by-side.
>>>>
>>>> You may need to be careful on the SpamAssassin though.  As kjteoh
>>>> mentioned, the perl modules, IMHO (really honest!) are kind of a
>>>> minefield
>>>> there.  Especially you have also to consider SpamAssassin from versions
>>>> 3.0.3 in FC4 to 3.2.5 in FC11 Leonidas.  Correct me if I am wrong, last I
>>>> heard - on FC12, I believe they're expected to use 3.3.0 which I believe
>>>> is
>>>> not even stable release at this time, probably so at FC12's time instead
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Let's digress a bit, build a new one altogether...
>>>> Postifx-Amavisd-Clamd-SpamAssassin..  And go for Centos instead of
>>>> Fedora.
>>>> You don't want to be caught upgrading from FC4 to FC12..  It'll be easier
>>>> with Centos 5.3 to 5.4 or 6..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincere regards
>>>>
>>>> Maulvi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Quite alot more really... versions. SpamAssassin users many perl modules
>>>>> which probably will need updating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> kjteoh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done by
>>>>>
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>> copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Old server = FC4
>>>>>> New server = Fedora 12
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>>>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>> myoss mailing list
>>>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> myoss mailing list
>>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> myoss mailing list
>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Umarzuki Mochlis
> http://gameornot.net
>

From umarzuki at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 08:02:08 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:02:08 +0800
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
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i'll be using postfix

2009/10/1 kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my>

>
> as far as i remember, qmail is only smtp service which talks smtp betw say
> .. a.mail.server and b.mail.server
>
> lmtp is local mail transport protocol which will do the actual deliveries
> to your mailbox/mail account ... eg of lmtp is postdrop or procmail or
> postfix which has its own final delivery agent.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> kjteoh
>
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>
>  thanks for that usefull info kjteoh
>> it seems qmailtoaster is using smtp http://www.qmailtoaster.com/
>> do i need lmtp instead?
>>
>> 2009/10/1 kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my>
>>
>>
>>> Quite a few ways to do it ... it comes down to what makes sense and what
>>> you're comfy doing and of course if you can accept downtime etc...
>>>
>>> what I will do is set up backup mx server and config it to spool emails
>>> first!
>>>
>>> create the new accounts on your new service ... make sure it
>>> sends/receive
>>> emails w/o problems ..  the migration of legacy data can come later ..
>>> whether it is maildir or mailbox type ...
>>>
>>> if you have imap service, even better you can make it sync betw old and
>>> new
>>> server and later discontinue old server/service.
>>>
>>> ps: you say "address" = imap service ;-)  otherwise its prob something
>>> like
>>> pine address books .. which will be even easier.
>>>
>>> if you're using qmail .. what lmtp will you be using?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> kjteoh
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>>
>>>  thanks for all those info guys.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> more question:
>>>> how about exporting mail datas (address etc.) from a server using
>>>> sendmail
>>>> to a server using qmail? Would that pose any problem in the future? I
>>>> got
>>>> qmailtoaster in mind at the moment since it got spamassasin and clamav
>>>> module but i never tested it yet.
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/1 Maulvi Bakar <maulvi at maulvi.net>
>>>>
>>>>  In my humble (honest!) opinion..
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Migrating from sendmail from FC4 to FC12, sendmail only shouldn't be
>>>>> difficult.  8.13.4 to 8.14.3, not much big difference.  You may need to
>>>>> compare the .cf files side-by-side.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may need to be careful on the SpamAssassin though.  As kjteoh
>>>>> mentioned, the perl modules, IMHO (really honest!) are kind of a
>>>>> minefield
>>>>> there.  Especially you have also to consider SpamAssassin from versions
>>>>> 3.0.3 in FC4 to 3.2.5 in FC11 Leonidas.  Correct me if I am wrong, last
>>>>> I
>>>>> heard - on FC12, I believe they're expected to use 3.3.0 which I
>>>>> believe
>>>>> is
>>>>> not even stable release at this time, probably so at FC12's time
>>>>> instead
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's digress a bit, build a new one altogether...
>>>>> Postifx-Amavisd-Clamd-SpamAssassin..  And go for Centos instead of
>>>>> Fedora.
>>>>> You don't want to be caught upgrading from FC4 to FC12..  It'll be
>>>>> easier
>>>>> with Centos 5.3 to 5.4 or 6..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincere regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Maulvi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Quite alot more really... versions. SpamAssassin users many perl
>>>>>> modules
>>>>>> which probably will need updating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> kjteoh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  simply
>>>>>>> copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Old server = FC4
>>>>>>> New server = Fedora 12
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>>>>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  myoss mailing list
>>>>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>>>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> myoss mailing list
>>>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>> myoss mailing list
>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>> http://gameornot.net
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>



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From maulvi at maulvi.net  Thu Oct  1 08:51:35 2009
From: maulvi at maulvi.net (Maulvi Bakar)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:51:35 +0800
Subject: [myoss] migrate mail server
In-Reply-To: <52d26d930910010102s63d0d2a8ra23885d5e0a9f448@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52d26d930909301956y521baef3q8e3bdaab5ff5fe63@mail.gmail.com> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0910011157150.25165@tomoko.arc.net.my>
	<47c8d78f0909302147y3f1eb208v8f0190543868009a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<52d26d930909302311g78419f55r8e50f98788aa3964@mail.gmail.com> 
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Message-ID: <47c8d78f0910010151g3bd9c289g7f24250dd5088dc7@mail.gmail.com>

Bravo on your choice on Postfix.

Actually, whatever's your choice is, is fine..  Anyway, wishing you luck on
your migration.

Use imapsync to sync between your mailboxes..  Get it right, the sync can be
a synch.


Best regards

Maulvi



On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis <umarzuki at gmail.com> wrote:

> i'll be using postfix
>
>
> 2009/10/1 kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my>
>
>>
>> as far as i remember, qmail is only smtp service which talks smtp betw say
>> .. a.mail.server and b.mail.server
>>
>> lmtp is local mail transport protocol which will do the actual deliveries
>> to your mailbox/mail account ... eg of lmtp is postdrop or procmail or
>> postfix which has its own final delivery agent.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> kjteoh
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>
>>  thanks for that usefull info kjteoh
>>> it seems qmailtoaster is using smtp http://www.qmailtoaster.com/
>>> do i need lmtp instead?
>>>
>>> 2009/10/1 kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Quite a few ways to do it ... it comes down to what makes sense and what
>>>> you're comfy doing and of course if you can accept downtime etc...
>>>>
>>>> what I will do is set up backup mx server and config it to spool emails
>>>> first!
>>>>
>>>> create the new accounts on your new service ... make sure it
>>>> sends/receive
>>>> emails w/o problems ..  the migration of legacy data can come later ..
>>>> whether it is maildir or mailbox type ...
>>>>
>>>> if you have imap service, even better you can make it sync betw old and
>>>> new
>>>> server and later discontinue old server/service.
>>>>
>>>> ps: you say "address" = imap service ;-)  otherwise its prob something
>>>> like
>>>> pine address books .. which will be even easier.
>>>>
>>>> if you're using qmail .. what lmtp will you be using?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> kjteoh
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  thanks for all those info guys.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> more question:
>>>>> how about exporting mail datas (address etc.) from a server using
>>>>> sendmail
>>>>> to a server using qmail? Would that pose any problem in the future? I
>>>>> got
>>>>> qmailtoaster in mind at the moment since it got spamassasin and clamav
>>>>> module but i never tested it yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/10/1 Maulvi Bakar <maulvi at maulvi.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>  In my humble (honest!) opinion..
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Migrating from sendmail from FC4 to FC12, sendmail only shouldn't be
>>>>>> difficult.  8.13.4 to 8.14.3, not much big difference.  You may need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> compare the .cf files side-by-side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may need to be careful on the SpamAssassin though.  As kjteoh
>>>>>> mentioned, the perl modules, IMHO (really honest!) are kind of a
>>>>>> minefield
>>>>>> there.  Especially you have also to consider SpamAssassin from
>>>>>> versions
>>>>>> 3.0.3 in FC4 to 3.2.5 in FC11 Leonidas.  Correct me if I am wrong,
>>>>>> last I
>>>>>> heard - on FC12, I believe they're expected to use 3.3.0 which I
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not even stable release at this time, probably so at FC12's time
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's digress a bit, build a new one altogether...
>>>>>> Postifx-Amavisd-Clamd-SpamAssassin..  And go for Centos instead of
>>>>>> Fedora.
>>>>>> You don't want to be caught upgrading from FC4 to FC12..  It'll be
>>>>>> easier
>>>>>> with Centos 5.3 to 5.4 or 6..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincere regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maulvi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kjteoh <kjteoh at ix.net.my> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Quite alot more really... versions. SpamAssassin users many perl
>>>>>>> modules
>>>>>>> which probably will need updating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> kjteoh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Is migrating a mail server (sendmail) with spamassasin can be done
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  simply
>>>>>>>> copy and pasting its configuration files and user folders or there's
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Old server = FC4
>>>>>>>> New server = Fedora 12
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>>>>>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  myoss mailing list
>>>>>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>>>>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> myoss mailing list
>>>>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>>>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>> myoss mailing list
>>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>>> http://gameornot.net
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> myoss mailing list
>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Umarzuki Mochlis
> http://gameornot.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>
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From umarzuki at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:16:30 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:16:30 +0800
Subject: [myoss] mail server manager WUI
Message-ID: <52d26d930910010216k6340692bl9a35cef136cda26e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, is there a open source email manager that can

   1. view spam stats (spamassassin etc.)
   2. notify before mailbox is full via email
   3. resize users mailbox quota
   4. send email in bulk
   5. view mailbox remaining space

Webmail such as squirrelmail have a few nice plugins that can view mailbox
space etc. but not all that i want. Any suggestion?


-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://gameornot.net
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From maulvi at maulvi.net  Thu Oct  1 09:38:58 2009
From: maulvi at maulvi.net (Maulvi Bakar)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:38:58 +0800
Subject: [myoss] mail server manager WUI
In-Reply-To: <52d26d930910010216k6340692bl9a35cef136cda26e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52d26d930910010216k6340692bl9a35cef136cda26e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47c8d78f0910010238w6b0f537bna3a6cace6838f3c9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Apologies if you expect an all in one solution..

1. There's a bunch of SpamAssassin analyzers, configurable separately
2. My experience is with Cyrus, also have to be configured manually
3. Rather than doing it manually via CLI, I used Webmin-based Cyrus Module.
Gives a nice web interface, just for the imap mailbox management, size,
permissions, shared mailbox.
4. This I believe you need a mailman.  I am sure there are other solutions.
5. See number 3.

Basically, from admin's point of view - Webmin.  You can even manage postfix
queue from Webmin.


Sincere regards

Maulvi



On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis <umarzuki at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, is there a open source email manager that can
>
>    1. view spam stats (spamassassin etc.)
>    2. notify before mailbox is full via email
>    3. resize users mailbox quota
>    4. send email in bulk
>    5. view mailbox remaining space
>
> Webmail such as squirrelmail have a few nice plugins that can view mailbox
> space etc. but not all that i want. Any suggestion?
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Umarzuki Mochlis
> http://gameornot.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>
>
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From umarzuki at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:43:47 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:43:47 +0800
Subject: [myoss] mail server manager WUI
In-Reply-To: <47c8d78f0910010238w6b0f537bna3a6cace6838f3c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52d26d930910010216k6340692bl9a35cef136cda26e@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c8d78f0910010238w6b0f537bna3a6cace6838f3c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52d26d930910010243p1fe59a64n9f514a417957d346@mail.gmail.com>

thanks maulvi, after i giving my best on qmailtoaster, i'll check on webmin.

2009/10/1 Maulvi Bakar <maulvi at maulvi.net>

> Hi
>
> Apologies if you expect an all in one solution..
>
> 1. There's a bunch of SpamAssassin analyzers, configurable separately
> 2. My experience is with Cyrus, also have to be configured manually
> 3. Rather than doing it manually via CLI, I used Webmin-based Cyrus
> Module.  Gives a nice web interface, just for the imap mailbox management,
> size, permissions, shared mailbox.
> 4. This I believe you need a mailman.  I am sure there are other solutions.
> 5. See number 3.
>
> Basically, from admin's point of view - Webmin.  You can even manage
> postfix queue from Webmin.
>
>
> Sincere regards
>
> Maulvi
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis <umarzuki at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi, is there a open source email manager that can
>>
>>    1. view spam stats (spamassassin etc.)
>>    2. notify before mailbox is full via email
>>    3. resize users mailbox quota
>>    4. send email in bulk
>>    5. view mailbox remaining space
>>
>> Webmail such as squirrelmail have a few nice plugins that can view mailbox
>> space etc. but not all that i want. Any suggestion?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Umarzuki Mochlis
>> http://gameornot.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> myoss mailing list
>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>
>


-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://gameornot.net
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From najmi.zabidi at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 13:42:21 2009
From: najmi.zabidi at gmail.com (Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:42:21 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Latex
Message-ID: <cf09ac7f0910080642h50cb5285k6571cc69365e2f15@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Yet another shameless buzzword:


http://latex-my.blogspot.com/




Feel free to tell if you want to be one of the steady author.


TQ.
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From najmi.zabidi at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 15:26:15 2009
From: najmi.zabidi at gmail.com (Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:26:15 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Latex
In-Reply-To: <cf09ac7f0910080824v34508db9w991c0245efa6db65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cf09ac7f0910080642h50cb5285k6571cc69365e2f15@mail.gmail.com>
	<db6683a60910080818x5a7d1e7by571a5f89e83b1f10@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf09ac7f0910080824v34508db9w991c0245efa6db65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf09ac7f0910080826t6bf5de22h7e6a740d8e7afb99@mail.gmail.com>

I will send invitstion through your email, check your inbox.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi <
najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Steady means you will be to actively putting tips and tricks + tweaking
> (whatever it is) in the blog.
> Of course daily post is not expected, but if it pretty much appreciated if
> you will be able to do that.
>
> I plan to put UTM's link for your work - but waiting for you to sign up ;-)
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Lim Lian Tze <liantze at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How do I sign up? *grin*
>> + Define "steady"? I probably can't manage daily posts...
>>
>> - Lian Tze -
>>
>> http://liantze.googlepages.com/latextypesetting
>> http://curutarimar.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi <
>> najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Yet another shameless buzzword:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://latex-my.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Feel free to tell if you want to be one of the steady author.
>>>
>>>
>>> TQ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> myoss mailing list
>>> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
>>> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 14:55:33 2009
From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:55:33 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Infinite Hands Song
Message-ID: <c44298520910180755w7f73135fn4fb77e540e8b3263@mail.gmail.com>

This is old,

Recalled about this song when I found the ogg while cleaning up my HDD
... thought might as well reshare the link for those who never heard
it, or for those who almost forgotten about it (like me)

http://infinite-hands.draketo.de/
http://infinite-hands.draketo.de/musik/Infinite-Hands--free-software.ogg

"and no company owns us, and no land is our own, for Infinite Hands are we. "

full lyric at the site

-- 
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
Amano Hikaru  ??? ???? ????
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
http://blog.kagesenshi.org
92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866  5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331

From rezuan7 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 14:12:27 2009
From: rezuan7 at gmail.com (Rezuan Asrah)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:12:27 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Virtualization on Mac OS 10.4 ( PPC ) ?
Message-ID: <5b72c92d0910230712g2756d5bfre1080bed4e957e48@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys, I've been looking around for VirtualBox or VMWare binary for Mac OS
10.4 Tiger ( PPC ), but I couldn't find one.
It seems like there's no support prior Mac on Intel. Can someone verify
this? Is this correct?

Thanks!

-- 
Rezuan Asrah
question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; -- Wm. Shakespeare

http://www.myspace.com/funkybudin
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From umarzuki at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 14:37:32 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:37:32 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Virtualization on Mac OS 10.4 ( PPC ) ?
In-Reply-To: <5b72c92d0910230712g2756d5bfre1080bed4e957e48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b72c92d0910230712g2756d5bfre1080bed4e957e48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52d26d930910230737r5f001de3ubc684d864b71f5c9@mail.gmail.com>

There's one for Mac Intel (vbox). I had installed on a friends PC a few
months ago but for Leopard > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

I'm terribly sorry if you can't have it installed on your Tiger or already
tried with no success.

http://www.virtualbox.org/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users

2009/10/23 Rezuan Asrah <rezuan7 at gmail.com>

> Hi guys, I've been looking around for VirtualBox or VMWare binary for Mac
> OS 10.4 Tiger ( PPC ), but I couldn't find one.
> It seems like there's no support prior Mac on Intel. Can someone verify
> this? Is this correct?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Rezuan Asrah
> question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; -- Wm. Shakespeare
>
> http://www.myspace.com/funkybudin
>
> _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>
>


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From umarzuki at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 09:26:09 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:26:09 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Pengaturcara diperlukan. Programmers wanted
Message-ID: <52d26d930910260226s680ba3dv5b0ea304d424ef3@mail.gmail.com>

Siapa berminat untuk menceburkan diri dalam bidang pengaturcaraan
berkaitan dengan projek sumber?

Hantar e-mel peribadi kepada saya berkenaan diri anda dan jika saya
rasa anda layak, saya akan majukan maklumat anda ke pihak pengurusan
untuk tujuan temuduga.

Kelulusan tak penting, yang penting anda betul-betul minat bidang
pengaturcaraan.

-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://debmal.my

From umarzuki at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 09:27:34 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:27:34 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Pengaturcara diperlukan. Programmers wanted
In-Reply-To: <52d26d930910260226s680ba3dv5b0ea304d424ef3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52d26d930910260226s680ba3dv5b0ea304d424ef3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52d26d930910260227x3dfa2116j6bfb5f04af2f0a35@mail.gmail.com>

Pembetulan:
...berkaitan projek sumber/berkaitan projek sumber terbuka

Pada 2009-10-26, Umarzuki Mochlis <umarzuki at gmail.com> menulis:
> Siapa berminat untuk menceburkan diri dalam bidang pengaturcaraan
> berkaitan dengan projek sumber?
>
> Hantar e-mel peribadi kepada saya berkenaan diri anda dan jika saya
> rasa anda layak, saya akan majukan maklumat anda ke pihak pengurusan
> untuk tujuan temuduga.
>
> Kelulusan tak penting, yang penting anda betul-betul minat bidang
> pengaturcaraan.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Umarzuki Mochlis
> http://debmal.my
>


-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://gameornot.net

From efaisal at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 01:49:31 2009
From: efaisal at yahoo.com (E A Faisal)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:49:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [myoss] Pengaturcara diperlukan. Programmers wanted
In-Reply-To: <52d26d930910260227x3dfa2116j6bfb5f04af2f0a35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52d26d930910260226s680ba3dv5b0ea304d424ef3@mail.gmail.com>
	<52d26d930910260227x3dfa2116j6bfb5f04af2f0a35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <195332.95183.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Boleh bagi keterangan lanjut tentang projek?




________________________________
From: Umarzuki Mochlis <umarzuki at gmail.com>
To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>; A general discussion list on Free/Open Source Software in Malaysia. <myoss at lists.foss.org.my>
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 5:27:34 PM
Subject: Re: [myoss] Pengaturcara diperlukan. Programmers wanted

Pembetulan:
....berkaitan projek sumber/berkaitan projek sumber terbuka

Pada 2009-10-26, Umarzuki Mochlis <umarzuki at gmail.com> menulis:
> Siapa berminat untuk menceburkan diri dalam bidang pengaturcaraan
> berkaitan dengan projek sumber?
>
> Hantar e-mel peribadi kepada saya berkenaan diri anda dan jika saya
> rasa anda layak, saya akan majukan maklumat anda ke pihak pengurusan
> untuk tujuan temuduga.
>
> Kelulusan tak penting, yang penting anda betul-betul minat bidang
> pengaturcaraan.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Umarzuki Mochlis
> http://debmal.my
>


-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://gameornot.net
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From umarzuki at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 02:22:23 2009
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:22:23 +0800
Subject: [myoss] Pengaturcara diperlukan. Programmers wanted
In-Reply-To: <195332.95183.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <52d26d930910260226s680ba3dv5b0ea304d424ef3@mail.gmail.com>
	<52d26d930910260227x3dfa2116j6bfb5f04af2f0a35@mail.gmail.com>
	<195332.95183.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52d26d930910261922s7720ad88h8f0f3c6969ff7c3a@mail.gmail.com>

Apa yang boleh saya ceritakan secara umum, ini adalah panggilan untuk
jawatan pekerja tetap. Susah nak dapat, susah juga nak kena buang. Tak
pernah lagi kes orang kena buang kerja dalam syarikat ni.

Saya tidak mempunyai kebenaran untuk membincangkan soal dalaman, jadi jika
anda mendapat tawaran untuk temuduga, mungkin anda akan tahu lebih lanjut.

Secara ringkasnya, pengaturcara-pengaturcara yang berjaya dalam temuduga
mungkin akan bertanggungjawab ke atas pengaturcaraan perkakasan dan
berkaitan.

Saya harap jawapan ini memuaskan.

2009/10/27 E A Faisal <efaisal at yahoo.com>

> Boleh bagi keterangan lanjut tentang projek?
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Umarzuki Mochlis <umarzuki at gmail.com>
> *To:* Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>; A general
> discussion list on Free/Open Source Software in Malaysia. <
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my>
> *Sent:* Mon, October 26, 2009 5:27:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [myoss] Pengaturcara diperlukan. Programmers wanted
>
> Pembetulan:
> ...berkaitan projek sumber/berkaitan projek sumber terbuka
>
> Pada 2009-10-26, Umarzuki Mochlis <umarzuki at gmail.com> menulis:
> > Siapa berminat untuk menceburkan diri dalam bidang pengaturcaraan
> > berkaitan dengan projek sumber?
> >
> > Hantar e-mel peribadi kepada saya berkenaan diri anda dan jika saya
> > rasa anda layak, saya akan majukan maklumat anda ke pihak pengurusan
> > untuk tujuan temuduga.
> >
> > Kelulusan tak penting, yang penting anda betul-betul minat bidang
> > pengaturcaraan.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Umarzuki Mochlis
> > http://debmal.my
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Umarzuki Mochlis
> http://gameornot.net
> _______________________________________________
> myoss mailing list
> myoss at lists.foss.org.my
> http://lists.foss.org.my/mailman/listinfo/myoss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


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From linuxmalaysia at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 15:20:13 2009
From: linuxmalaysia at gmail.com (Harisfazillah Jamel)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:20:13 +0800
Subject: [myoss] MyGOSSCON 2009 BOF Sessions
Message-ID: <d2e733600910300820q45241d00mbdfbca9c90a6533a@mail.gmail.com>

MyGOSSCON 2009 BOF Sessions

Open to all, free entrance to all Birds of a Feather (BOF) sessions.
Interested in joining MyGOSSCON BOF sessions? Register yourselves

http://mygosscon.oscc.org.my/2009/registration/

Thurday, 5th Nov 2009 6.30pm

Birds Of a Feather Cocktail
Level 1 : Fine Dining Area

PICC, Putrajaya, Malaysia

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=picc+putrajaya

Malaysian Government Open Source Software Conference (MyGOSSCON) 4-6 Nov 2009

The Malaysian Public Sector Master Plan is now in the 2nd phase of
implementation. Significant progress have been achieved, for example a
total of 540 agencies have implemented OSS. As part of the continuous
promotion of the Public Sector OSS Programme, the 3rd annual MyGOSSCON
will be held from 4 ? 6 November 2009. MyGOSSCON will bring together
government organisations, OSS community and the industry to share on
how OSS is being used to transform the public service delivery and
create unprecedented value proposition for the business organisation.

More information :-

http://mygosscon.oscc.org.my/


Archive

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